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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 8, 2005 0:18:05 GMT -5
First upload: Everybody's favorite Marvel! Enjoy!
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Post by onegemini on Oct 8, 2005 1:27:29 GMT -5
Welcome aboard!
Good first post. I think you were trying to go for a bird's eye view (downshot) here, but it's not quite right, so the anatomy looks stunted, and he comes across as a midget.
I'm not sure if you do underdrawing (because you might, and might've erased the pencil lines well), but in the future you'll defintely want to to that, so you can understand the parts of the body -- the geometry of the structure -- that you're trying to foreshorten.
Hope to see more up from you. Take care.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 8, 2005 8:11:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the note.
I was going for a forced perspective, but without a background, Captain Marvel does look warped. I'm working on a colourized version with a background which should help.
I know the feet and legs are a bit weird. Still working on those.
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Post by Brandon on Oct 8, 2005 8:31:14 GMT -5
The overall style is great, Drdread. The perspective you are going for here is a very hard one to pull off. I think you got pretty close though. The feet should be smaller for this angle and a little change maybe on the legs. The thing that stands out to me is the arm on the right side. There's no overlapping of the upper arm over the forearm so it looks to be really short. Still, very close. Again, I love the style and think it's a great pic of Captain Marvel. I can't wait to see the finished work!
And please share lots more artwork. I love to see new fan art!
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Post by tigereyes on Oct 8, 2005 13:54:06 GMT -5
well, you started off with my favorite character, and I think you captured his attitude, so right on man. Keep it up!
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 9, 2005 13:27:49 GMT -5
Here you go folks, the colourized version of the good captain! Down here... A bit more... the anticipation is killer.... Loading.... You'll notice that I didn't choose the title as Shazam. There is an improtant reason why...
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Post by onegemini on Oct 9, 2005 14:58:06 GMT -5
The masthead is well done.
Let's start with the figure. The background is not helping what you wanted to achieve through the forced perspective. Just because you didn't have background before, we should still be able to tell what you were trying to go for. The body overlap was lacking.
As far as the coloring, you ended up destroying some of the crosshatching and shading which indicated the minimal overlaping you had. Also, you didn't stay within the lines in certain parts. You could've gone back around those and erased that overspill, but you didn't. Further, you tried to color over pencils, so you got that weird anti-aliased halo around each line. When coloring over pencil (or anything anti-aliased) you'll have to get into using channels and layers and layer properties for sure. Or, digitally ink everything, so it has a hard, non-aliased edge.
The background is a nice thought, but when using a photo for a background image, I usually manipulate it to make it less "photo real." It detracts and destracts from the non-photorealistic figure in the foreground. Give it a color. Run a blur filter over it. Play with color levels and contrast. Make it feel like it belongs. This, as it stands, looks less like one image, and more like a collage that you'd make in art class by taking the figure, cutting it out, and gluing it to the cityscape. Take a look at my Dark Squire cover (or when they're released, my Nightwing or Detective Comics covers). I used photos, but I made sure they fit with everything else in the image. Made it look like they belonged there.
Good first effort. I'd have to say, though, I liked the original pencils better.
Keep posting.
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Post by aesantos on Oct 9, 2005 18:12:03 GMT -5
I can see the style you are trying to accomplish here...somthing similar to the original simplistic style of C.C. Beck. I think it would have worked better if the angle is changed a bit.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 9, 2005 18:43:14 GMT -5
I can see the style you are trying to accomplish here...somthing similar to the original simplistic style of C.C. Beck. I think it would have worked better if the angle is changed a bit. ;D Yes, I do like to invoke a heavy CC Beck influence into my Captain Marvel. The pose was really challenging and I may have over stretched my abilities a bit, but that's how you learn.
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Post by Brandon on Oct 10, 2005 7:12:39 GMT -5
I think your cover looks great! Great work on assembling the various elements. The logo and other lettering looks awesome. I also think the picture you chose works really well for the concept, but Onegemini is right that the photo and art clash a bit. There are a lot of things that can be done to blend them together better if you play around a bit in PS. For instance, on the Wonder Woman #0 cover I used a photo of the Parthenon recreation in Nashville, TN and then used a filter or two over top of it to make it more art-like and it was a pretty simple process. Just an idea. But that said it's not that this effect hasn't been used on published comic covers before so take all this with a grain of salt. I also agree that there are a few things that can be done to clean up the coloring a bit but that just comes with getting use to PS and I think that it still looks great. The skin highlights and shadows work really well. On a whole it definately conveys the Beck style. Great work, Dr. Dread! Again, I can't wait to see more.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 10, 2005 8:39:28 GMT -5
Some new (old) art until I get more stuff ready to scan... Not quite DC oriented, but I like it! This one was done back in (gulp) 1989! Definite anatomy problems and the inking is sloppy, but it shows where I've come from. Done in ink and watercolour (no PS back in '89!) Enjoy!
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 10, 2005 9:11:10 GMT -5
So I worked on the Whiz cover a bit more... You guys were right about the colour spill. I had put a blur filter on the shading/tint layer, and I didn't notice it made the colours bleed off my inking. I also forgot Cap's golden trim around his cape. I put a filter on the skyline, as you suggested. I was worried that enough details might be lost and the background might not be recognizable as a skyline, but it works. Let me know what you think:
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Post by onegemini on Oct 10, 2005 12:05:44 GMT -5
That's better (as far as the background goes). And good on you for going back and correcting the overspill.
You might've OVER filtered the background. Your intentions were right on, but now the city looks like it's underwater. I usually play with the contrast until it becomes more graphic, then I find a uniting color to the image. I then throw a specific smart blur on it, then a "cutout" filter, again with pre-determined sliders (which can also depend on distance of object/background from my foreground images).
I try to stay away from watercolor filters at the like. They tend to get muddy and unrealistic.
But yeah, good attempt. Like you said, that's how you learn.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 10, 2005 14:28:09 GMT -5
Everybody's favorite antisocial GL, Guy Gardner: Gave him more of a comic booky/Jack Kirby pose for fun.
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Post by Brandon on Oct 10, 2005 17:26:39 GMT -5
Cool stuff, dread! I like the Guy pic.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 15, 2005 10:08:38 GMT -5
New piece: Enjoy! edit: There are some slight touch ups I have to do here and there, but this is the first colourized version I felt confident to post.
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Post by HoM on Oct 15, 2005 14:22:30 GMT -5
hes got no lightning belt! i like this, but just one idea... make the bullets BOLDER. make it obvious hes catching them. (a few touch ups, and i soooooo want this as a cover )
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Post by tigereyes on Oct 15, 2005 14:43:58 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a super cool use of the effect... very cool!
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 15, 2005 15:03:57 GMT -5
hes got no lightning belt! i like this, but just one idea... make the bullets BOLDER. make it obvious hes catching them. (a few touch ups, and i soooooo want this as a cover ) Yeah, I've been arguing with myself about wether to give him the connected or unconneted belt. I can always add it later (the magic of PS). You do have a good idea about making the bullets bolder. I will defenitely do this.
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Post by Brandon on Oct 15, 2005 15:54:09 GMT -5
I think it looks awesome, Doc! If you are wanting to submit this for a cover then we are using the Barry Allen belt design. Bolder bullets are a must. Maybe add motion lines for the bullets? Just a thought.
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Post by onegemini on Oct 15, 2005 22:25:27 GMT -5
It's good. I get what's happening. The effect works fine. I agree with the other comments about making the bullets stand out more. Right now, he could be juggling marbles or something.
You also are having the same problem you had with Capt. Marvel. The black lines have become white because of the anti-aliasing. You either need to rescan at higher DPI and work in higher dpi (or make sure everything stays line art) or you have to work with channels and layers. Do a google search. You'll find everything you need.
But, best work yet, by far.
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Post by Brandon on Oct 15, 2005 22:47:29 GMT -5
Another way to get rid of the ghosting that happens between the line art and the color fill spaces is to use the Darken selection on either the Paintbucket or Paintbrush. When you fill the space with Paintbucket do it two or three times on Darken and it can push the fill space out to the edges without bleeding or puffing out too badly. Or you can fill as regular and then use the Paintbrush on Darken still set to your fill color and brush over the non-fill areas without effecting the fill space or the black lines. Sometimes if your lines have lightened a little this can help darken them back up as well. Just some ideas there.
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 16, 2005 12:59:28 GMT -5
Thank you everyone. Great feedback.
I've been toying with the suggestions that have been posted, and WOW! I like how it's turning out. Some great tips by KSM and OneGemini about the white lines. I've added the Barry Allen belt and darkened the bullets, like you all have suggested. I'm very excited about how this piece is working out.
Thanks everyone!
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 17, 2005 16:13:29 GMT -5
MORE OLD CRAP! My personal logo: It's true! I got it tattooed on my neck! Brains, Brawn and Beauty: From '98
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Post by starlord on Oct 17, 2005 16:39:42 GMT -5
GREAT STUFF!!! I love the logo!
Peace,
Starlord
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Post by Brandon on Oct 17, 2005 17:22:11 GMT -5
Yep, great pics.... more cool stuff please!
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 17, 2005 17:44:18 GMT -5
Yep, great pics.... more cool stuff please! Oh alright. If you insist.... I present the EVIL DEAD, from the movie of the same name. I've got to start posting more DC fan art stuff. I'm railroading my own thread!
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Post by partystarter on Oct 17, 2005 18:04:45 GMT -5
Hey man i got a question. What do you do to draw so good? I use my computer mouse to draw on my art program but do you know of any like online stuff I can use or do you just like scan it onto your computer after drawing it?
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 17, 2005 18:17:59 GMT -5
Hey man i got a question. What do you do to draw so good? I use my computer mouse to draw on my art program but do you know of any like online stuff I can use or do you just like scan it onto your computer after drawing it? Well, I work over a rough pencil drawing over and over and over until I feel confident about it. I then ink it on tracing paper, adding some crosshatching. Next I scan the inked version onto PC and colour it. My secret is to work big, and shrink the picture to 75~50% of the original size. It's a bit of a cheat, but it makes the final version look very detailed. They do the same on comic books. The art page is 14"x17" and the printers shrink it to comic book size (6"x10" I beleive).
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Post by Dr Dread on Oct 17, 2005 18:28:12 GMT -5
Just though I would add, the greatest asset to anyone wanting to improve their art is practice and don't be discouraged if something doesn't quite work out. Case in point: One of my first superheroes (The doctor at age 12): (NICE LEGS DOC!) But each little step I made, every drawing I finished made me better. edit: D'oh! Looks like I overloaded Geocities. I gotta move this stuff to my other site.
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